Yup, same in English (those of us who still use the singular). Some dialects, though, use 'thee' for both nominative and accusative (I believe the Amish is one of those), and some use a variant 'tha' (voiced 'th' followed by 'ah') which is again used for both. There are other things people get wrong -- "I havest" for instance -- when they are trying to sound "mediaeval". Of course, few people are taught English grammar in the UK until university (if they do English language there) and those who are taught grammar are rarelyu taught the second person singular.
(I also heard people at church referring to the the 2nd. p. sing. as "the sacred language of prayer" (because the King James version of the Bible uses it) -- I threatened to use Hebrew if they wanted anything like a 'sacred' language *g*...)
I think 'tha' is a dialectal pronounciation of 'thou' or 'thee' as appropriate, flattening the vowel to a schwa, if you're talking about Northern UK dialects.
I did my bit to enlighten the kids on a Christian holiday I help out with about the second person singular, probably to the annoyance of the Scripture Union bod present. Someone incautiously let me run a worship session, and I themed it around needing to be careful how we read the Bible (or any other long-lived book for that matter, I just didn't complicate things by mentioning that). Language changes, I told them, and words don't mean what they used to mean. Take 'thou' for example; these days we only use it when being ultra formal or very pretentious. Back when the KJV was hot off the press, it was reserved for close friends and family (like 'tu' in modern French, for example). So 'thou' implieth not that the referent is my lord and master, even if he is. Instead, 'thou' art my bestest bud.
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Date: 2006-06-20 09:11 pm (UTC)(I also heard people at church referring to the the 2nd. p. sing. as "the sacred language of prayer" (because the King James version of the Bible uses it) -- I threatened to use Hebrew if they wanted anything like a 'sacred' language *g*...)
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Date: 2006-06-21 12:19 am (UTC)I did my bit to enlighten the kids on a Christian holiday I help out with about the second person singular, probably to the annoyance of the Scripture Union bod present. Someone incautiously let me run a worship session, and I themed it around needing to be careful how we read the Bible (or any other long-lived book for that matter, I just didn't complicate things by mentioning that). Language changes, I told them, and words don't mean what they used to mean. Take 'thou' for example; these days we only use it when being ultra formal or very pretentious. Back when the KJV was hot off the press, it was reserved for close friends and family (like 'tu' in modern French, for example). So 'thou' implieth not that the referent is my lord and master, even if he is. Instead, 'thou' art my bestest bud.