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kniteracy ([personal profile] kniteracy) wrote2005-12-13 03:29 pm
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What's our genre coming to, anyway?

What's our genre coming to, anyway?

[livejournal.com profile] scott_lynch has some opinions. Check them out here.

Now, obviously, I posted this because I think SL has some good points. Feel free to tell me what you think, but if you want to debate the author, his journal is only a click away!

[identity profile] guyelfkin.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a fantasy fan, not a science fan, and I couldn't beiring myself to read the whole thing (because, frankly, it would have to be a *lot* more lively/interesting to get past my short-attention-span reflexes) but as far as I'm concerned Science, fantasy, horror etc etc etc - all come under the same speculative fiction umberella, and the subdivisions underthat umberella are purely for convenient compartmentalising purposes. After all, the boundaries between them are frequently blurred if not indistinguishable.

Teddy

[identity profile] smallship1.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] guyelfkin speak with much wisdom as usual. It's sad when a once fine mind fossilises. (Benford's, not Lynch's.) All sf is a subset of fantasy. (As are mainstream novels, romances, whodunits, spy thrillers, westerns, historicals, horror books and political biographies, but we won't go into that.) You can't draw a line and separate the two. Well, you can, but you end up with a very small circle inside a much larger circle and it looks silly.

As for his predictions about the political future of the Western world depending on people reading sf and not fantasy, well, looks like we're doomed then. Can anyone remind me what's actually so bad about living in a backwater?

Scott Lynch is dead on

[identity profile] osewalrus.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I had this argument with a friend some time back. Writing goes through cycles, hard SF is losing ground in some areas while fantasy sells. Some folks seem to think there is a fantasy conspiracy out there.

What gets published has a lot more to do with economics and the transformation of books into a mass medium. Chain book stores stock a limited amount of genre fiction. What goes on the shelves is what gets pushed by the few major publishing houses which publish stuff from either proven bestellers or new authors who will commit to multi-book deals for cheap. The whole concept of the "middle list," authors who reliable produce steady sales but not bestsellers, has pretty much died away. Sadly, most hard SF was in this "middle list" catagory.

If you are a best seller like Bujold you get published. If you are a mid-lister like Beresford you can't. Some are quite bitter about this. As are their fans.

I recommend they follow in the path of folks like Cory Doctorow and develop alternate distribution mechanisms and alternate means of funding. This, however, is harder than whining against the great conspiracy.

[identity profile] bunrab.livejournal.com 2005-12-15 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks Harper!
I'm a science fiction-fantasy-crime-mystery-romance-comicstrip fan, myself.* I bet Benford disapproves of "Calvin and Hobbes" too, since it's got talking animals and transmogrifiers with no scientific basis!!

*And science fact and history and political commentary and newspaper column collections and orange juice cartons and cereal boxes...